The Democrats aren’t timid – they are corporate


It’s a very popular myth, that the Democrats are bullied by Bush. I suppose that’s more comforting than the understanding that they do what they do because they feed from the same corporate trough.

The Democratic presidential candidates raised more money from corporate America than did the Republicans. Most corporations contribute heavily to both parties.

Yet there’s this yearning, this longing, for the Democrats as the “opposition party”. And sure, they are an opposition party – just like the Republicans they oppose the American people.

The few decent Democrats out there are like a teaser, holding together what is otherwise a monolithic oppressive political consensus in Washington.

Third parties are the only hope for electoral politics, at least in the short term.


7 Responses to “The Democrats aren’t timid – they are corporate”

  1. mad dog Says:

    At this point, after watching how third parties get treated, it seems like the best option for them is to pursue local offices first to gain credibility and followers

  2. briankoontz Says:

    They do pursue local offices, and I suspect gaining recognition and exposure are big reasons for that. But unless there is electoral reform it’s going to be a long process to build up a national base from local communities.

    Ralph Nader is very well known nationally and he still gets very few votes running as either an Independent or a Green. The most successful 3rd party candidate in recent decades was Ross Perot, and he had a massive fortune to draw from, sort of “corporate contributions” all his own, although he probably lacked some of the media access of the democratic and republican candidates that year. Even that fortune only notched him 19% of the vote as an independent.

    The argument for Nader running is that it builds toward a positive future, but in order to build there has to be growth. In 2004 Democratic Party lawsuits hurt the Nader campaign, although I don’t know much more about it than that. Here’s how many votes Nader has received since 1996 (he also ran in 1992 but apparently dropped out before the election):

    1996 (Green): 685K
    2000 (Green): 2.9M
    2004 (Independent/Reform): 466K

    Even if you include both Nader and the Green Party candidate in 2004, David Cobb, who received 120K votes, the Green Party lost massively from 2.9M votes in 2000 to 586K in 2004. Although much of that is probably due to 2000 being an incredibly boring election (until it was stolen) whereas 2004 was an intense election due to the monstrosity of the Bush Administration. Intense elections cause more of the “voting for the lesser of two evils” effect rather than 3rd party voting.

    I’d rather see someone vote for almost any 3rd party candidate rather than vote for McCain, Romney, Clinton, or Obama.

    Are you going to be voting for the Libertarian party candidate?

  3. mad dog Says:

    I don’t know yet. The answer is probably yes. What frustrates me about those people is that they really embarrass themselves. Even Ayn Rand avoided associating with them, often vehemently condemning them. If whoever they nominate acts like a reasonable, decent person, the answer will likely be yes.

  4. mad dog Says:

    But if the candidate they nominate acts like a kook, an elitist dick or Alex Jones, I will probably look elsewhere.

  5. briankoontz Says:

    Pioneers are fine. Pioneers are people who stumble along with theories that seem to be crazy but are really just very unformed – a theory in the early stages before it gets fleshed out and made sensible. Conspiracy theorists are a good example. I learn a lot from conspiracy theorists – the problem is that I rarely learn the things that conspiracy theorists are telling me are true. That is to say, pioneers need to understand how unformed and weak their own theories are.

    An example – in the first Alex Jones link you provided he said something about “America being taken over by Europe”. He made this comment in 1998. He said a bunch of other things of varying degrees of sensibility. Alex Jones seems to be a guy who gains his intellect through his fear. His fears create his thoughts and then he speaks those thoughts. The problem with doing that is that fears are not exactly the best basis for reality. Alex Jones confused his fear of Europe with America being taken over by Europe. Another problem is that Rush Limbaugh operates essentially the same way, just with a different ideology.

    People like Alex Jones produce 10 parts of crap for every 1 part of good material. Despite this, they have considerable value because that 1 part of good material is rarely said anywhere else. The problem however, is that in order to learn from Alex Jones one has to determine what’s crap and what’s not. And if one already knows that, then it’s probably pointless to listen to Alex Jones anyway.

    Conspiracy theorists are kind of like scientists who test out their theories by just saying whatever pops into their head. Because they are typically honest people and often semi-intelligent, they manage to get some good stuff occasionally.

  6. mad dog Says:

    In reference to Europe, I think he is referring to the Rothschild Bankers, who are allegedly quite influential in politics worldwide.

  7. briankoontz Says:

    Even if they are, which I’ve seen no serious statements affirming, that hardly makes for a European takeover of America. Forces in support of the Israeli government are quite influential in American politics but that doesn’t mean Israel is taking over America.

    China and Saudi Arabia are probably the biggest threats in terms of foreign control of the United States, although whatever they do to the country can’t be any worse than what the “American” multinationals are doing to it right now.

    (China because the U.S. is very deeply indebted to them and Saudi Arabia since they have massive investments of petro-dollars in America).

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