Capital Punishment – one example of how the left is pathetic

“Pathetic” is a kind word. “Insane” might be more accurate.

It’s also a testament to the utter ignorance of the entire American and global populace.

Last year 53 prisoners were executed in the United States, not counting U.S. citizens killed in various CIA black sites around the world. In comparison, 2.03 million U.S. citizens are currently incarcerated in the United States, again not including various secret or semi-secret government antics.

The left talks more about the death penalty than they do about the incarceration system. Probably along the lines of a 4:1 ratio based on the people I listen to. Logically speaking, they care about 4 times as much about 53 dead people as they do about 2.03 million people living in a state of torture.

The ratio breaks down to 38,302 currently incarcerated for every one killed per year. Furthermore, the number incarcerated is growing at an alarming rate. The number executed is not.

The left agrees with the right on a key concept: prisons are just. On this issue the left is causing more damage to the United States than the right, since the left is supposed to stand up for people.

America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, ahead of the “oppressive” state of Russia. The U.S. prison population was relatively stable for decades, until around 1975, at the beginning of the reign of Neoconservative and especially Neoliberal policies, when it grew and then exploded under Reagan and ever since. Americans didn’t change – the system changed to create more poverty, more despair, more crime. Note however that crime peaked in the early 1990s and has been falling ever since, yet the rate of incarceration continues to rise. It will continue to rise as long as America gets closer to fascism.

You have to enter a small subset of the ostensibly “humanist” left to find people who actually oppose the prison system in this country. These people are apparently “radicals” because they don’t think people should be locked up in a barren cell until their minds and psyches deteriorate, fed shitty food, have a rather lackluster (to put it mildly) social life, earn beratement and abuse from guards, have a monotonous experience from day to day… and that’s a good prison experience. The idea that this treatment “rehabilitates” prisoners is ridiculous, and is proven to fail from the rate in which people return to jail after being released.

For the left to fume at the 53 corpses and ignore the 2.03 million tortured is the same as them fuming at the 4,000 dead American soldiers in Iraq and ignoring the 5.5 million dead or displaced Iraqis resulting from the war. The left is far more braindead than the right. The right might be moral monsters and devoid of humanity, but at least they have brains. The lack of applied intelligence on the left renders them monstrous in their effect.

Imagine if Americans had the brains of the right and the morality of the left. Perhaps that should be the sequel to that John Lennon song.

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6 Responses to “Capital Punishment – one example of how the left is pathetic”

  1. mad dog Says:

    I would like to say that I am in complete agreement with you on this, despite the fact that we have had various disagreements on certain other things in the past. I am 100% opposed to the Prison-Industrial Complex. Despite the higher levels of incarceration, there is no proven correlation to reduced crime as a result.

    I have read that many of the people incarcerated were thrown in the slammer for relatively minor crimes, like smoking pot and such. In fact, I have heard that drug arrests account for the majority of the increased level of imprisonments.

    I am with you on blaming the NeoConservatives and the New Left for their roles in this debacle. However, we need to take into consideration that there are other groups as well, who have a significant role as well. If you look at the American South, and parts of the west, you will notice that building prisons is politically popular down there. There are a lot of law and order types who live down there, who favor a police state. These are the kind of people who have infected our government. These are the folks who enabled George W. Bush and his roles models like Nixon and Lydon Johnson (yes, even though he was a democrat).

    Along with the Neoconservatives and with certain Jack-booted elements of the Left, the South plays an important role in the growing amount of fascism in this country.

  2. briankoontz Says:

    What’s the “Jack-booted elements of the Left”?

    Higher levels of incarceration usually reduces crime – for example if everyone was in prison there would be no crime (outside of prison). But there’s other issues here: if the factors that create crime are not changed, there is an ongoing mechanism that produces criminals. Just look at the basics of society and crime: most crime is undertaken for material gain. Robberies, burglaries, assault with intent to intimidate, embezzlement, car theft. Poverty and inequality produce these crimes. Europe has less poverty and inequality than the United States, hence less crime. The reason why crime rose with the advent of Neoliberal policies is that those policies increase poverty and inequality.

    http://www.lisproject.org/keyfigures/povertytable.htm

    The economics of prisons aren’t often talked about. Taxpayers pay $25,000 per adult inmate per year. So 2.03 million inmates means $50 Billion is spent per year on the prison population. Prisoners are highly restricted in terms of their benefit to the economy and produce far less than that in value. If the United States is going to put lots of black men in prison it might as well go back to chattel slavery – at least that way there is a positive economic effect.

    So not only is a system of poverty and inequality unjust and immoral, it’s also very expensive to the society that implements it. But again, the elite in America doesn’t care how expensive it is as long as they don’t bear the brunt of the cost, and as long as they get the money (it’s like the Iraq War – taxpayer money gets funneled to big business).

    It’s interesting that the prison (torture) sector and the military sector are rising at the same time. Both sectors are extremely similar – both use brutal means to achieve ends of control and domination. All fascist states feature both an extensive torture sector and military sector. All the official CIA torture centers really are are a combination of the prison and military sector. The “best of both worlds” perhaps, according to their view.

    It’s never the guy with the black hat on giving sinister looks who’s the real villain – it’s the guy who fools one into thinking he’s good. If the Left in America becomes like the “good people” of Germany who failed to stand up to Hitler, America is in perhaps terminal trouble. So far during the Bush Administration the left has been disgusting. Curtis Muhammad might have the right idea in leaving a sinking ship. I wonder if he’ll weep as he sees us go down.

    It’s always funny when I hear people say that despair is cowardly and hope is brave. They claim that hope is brave, then claim they are hopeful and hope the listener puts one and one together. While they are giving their little speech, a dead body washes by. Perhaps they wave to it.

    Here’s what I hope: I hope the left stops being hopeful and starts being useful.

  3. mad dog Says:

    ‘What’s the “Jack-booted elements of the Left”?’

    They tend to be the establishment types. They tend to be known as ‘big government liberals’. Hillary and Chuck Schumer come to mind, as do jerks like Robert Byrd. What I mean is that they want less freedom for everybody. They hate individualism. They look for crises to exploit to gain political power. I also see certain extremists as jack booted, like PETA, Gloria Steinem or Lyndon Larouche for example.

    I suggest you watch a movie called “Anarchists Cookbook”. In that film, a character claims to be anarchist, but ends up quite authoritarian to other people in practice.

    That phrase was not meant as an offense against you, and most certainly not against someone like Chomsky or Nader.

    “It’s always funny when I hear people say that despair is cowardly and hope is brave. They claim that hope is brave, then claim they are hopeful and hope the listener puts one and one together. While they are giving their little speech, a dead body washes by. Perhaps they wave to it.

    Here’s what I hope: I hope the left stops being hopeful and starts being useful.”

    Yes, I would agree. I do feel that a lot of them are such whiners. What makes little sense to me is how much many of them support gun control. I mean come on! How are you supposed to lead a revolution with super-soakers?

  4. briankoontz Says:

    “They tend to be the establishment types. They tend to be known as ‘big government liberals’. Hillary and Chuck Schumer come to mind, as do jerks like Robert Byrd. What I mean is that they want less freedom for everybody. They hate individualism. They look for crises to exploit to gain political power. I also see certain extremists as jack booted, like PETA, Gloria Steinem or Lyndon Larouche for example.”

    “Big government liberals” are not on the left. They are part of the “establishment left”, which as Chomsky says is one of the two segments of the business class. The business class is on the right.

    I don’t know much about Steinem or Larouche, but PETA is hardly jack-booted. They are no more authoritarian than a police squad marshaling through town, and a whole lot less dangerous.

    You may be mixing people who are morally indignant and outspoken with people who are authoritarian. Authoritarian is “I accept no other way, no people leading another way, and will act against those people and for “my own people” and in such a way that turns others into my people, regardless of their will”. Authoritarianism is a combination of intolerance and militancy.

    PETA may be authoritarian with respect to human cruelty toward animals, within that very narrow range. However, authority is always accepted when it’s seen as just, which is why the police are supported at times by the populace. When the laws are just, those who enforce them are just.

    “I suggest you watch a movie called “Anarchists Cookbook”. In that film, a character claims to be anarchist, but ends up quite authoritarian to other people in practice.”

    Pretty much anyone who cares about something is authoritarian compared to other people, in practice. For example, those who fight a fascist power are authoritarian, compared to those who go along with fascist laws, who are tolerant of fascism.

    Authoritarianism is very different depending on the degree of power of the authoritarian. PETA has a much lower level of effect in their authoritarianism than the FBI, for example. This is why the “authoritarian left” is irrelevant – it’s like worrying about an ant when a tank is about to run you over.

    “That phrase was not meant as an offense against you, and most certainly not against someone like Chomsky or Nader.”

    It’s easy to see us as authoritarians – what makes us not authoritarian is that we express what we believe is the will of the people. In a world of propaganda and coercion, it’s not possible to take a poll and determine the will of the people, despite what Chomsky repeatedly claims. You have to cut through the estimated coercive effect and determine the will of the people, which certainly means there is room for error.

    “Yes, I would agree. I do feel that a lot of them are such whiners. What makes little sense to me is how much many of them support gun control. I mean come on! How are you supposed to lead a revolution with super-soakers?”

    They aren’t whiners – they are exploiters. Instead of looking out for the people, they look out for themselves by pretending to look out for the people. Some of them. The kind of people Curtis Muhammad was talking about. There are many ways to profiteer in this world, and all of them are despicable.

    I support gun control – in a democratic society. In a society increasingly becoming a fascist police state I support citizen control and defense, including with the use of arms. Take a look at the modern left – they no longer support gun control, or at least it’s off the main agenda. One step at a time.

    Nuances are critical. Everything is a matter of context. In water an animal likes gills and fins and scales. On land legs and lungs are more useful. Another animal queries him: “What are you doing with gills? I thought you promoted the use of legs!”

    “In water, gills. On land, legs”.

  5. mad dog Says:

    ““Big government liberals” are not on the left. They are part of the “establishment left”, which as Chomsky says is one of the two segments of the business class. The business class is on the right.”

    Okay, I just wanted your take on this. I as well, am against using government power to enrich the few at the expense of the many.

    “Authoritarian is “I accept no other way, no people leading another way, and will act against those people and for “my own people” and in such a way that turns others into my people, regardless of their will”. Authoritarianism is a combination of intolerance and militancy.”

    Yes, this is exactly what I am talking about. And believe me, there are some radicals who are VERY authoritarian:

    Although, I will concede that the right probably has the lions share of authoritarians. The right just DO seem to have an unhealthy worship of the police and military. I will also concede that the right are filled with hypocrites that demand small government, but then grow it larger than the democrat administrations.

    “It’s easy to see us as authoritarians – what makes us not authoritarian is that we express what we believe is the will of the people.”

    Oh no, I wasn’t calling you or Chomsky or Nader authoritarians. I was just saying that SOME of those on the left have an unhealthy love of state power. Just not you (well, I hope not), as well as certain others. Like the ACLU for example.

    “I support gun control – in a democratic society. In a society increasingly becoming a fascist police state I support citizen control and defense,”

    I am going to break with you on this one. In my opinion, having citizens being able to use guns is one of the many things that prevent fascism, regardless of the political opinions or makeup of the population. Based on historical evidence, letting people use guns have had a tendency to government power to keep in check.

  6. briankoontz Says:

    Greenpeace and PETA? If you’re going to get excited you should at least focus on groups that commit property crime: try the Earth Liberation Front or the Animal Liberation Front. A good rule is: if a group’s members aren’t being arrested they aren’t authoritarian. As Penn demonstrated on The Colbert Report, Penn and Teller are adding to the War on Terror with some fearmongering terrorism of their own.

    For them it’s a healthy worship. Any time you oppress someone you have to have force of arms on your side or you’re going to lose. Force of law is another benefit. As our American government knows, it doesn’t matter how many enemies America has (or creates) as long as military might is on America’s side.

    The only serious element of the “authoritarian left” out there is Communism, which nowadays isn’t really serious at all. Take an overview of the left and you find the vast majority is promoting a decentralized, democratic vision. Anarchism, not Communism, is the ruling vision of the modern left.

    If you really want to prevent fascism you support and create a democracy. That’s the only way to do it. Any top-down non-democratic government can become fascistic.

    Guns are mostly irrelevant. They just roll them over with tanks, bomb them, shoot missiles at them, and that’s that. It just adds fun for a tank driver when he sees someone shooting an M-16 at him.

    Also, Blackwater and like organizations are pretty well trained. That’s who the American people will be fighting. Some guy who shoots his pistol once a year at the local gun club isn’t going to match up well against an armored and trained Blackwater group.

    If everyone walked around with a “pocket nuke”, a high explosive, then, sure, the government would have to think twice about some of it’s more creative antics. But then during the boring times some of these people would get itchy trigger fingers and decide they don’t like their next door neighbor, and one thing leads to another.

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