Indoctrination – why we need a new educational system

In a speech class in college I noticed during my reading of the textbook that every recommendation of the book, every focus, was on the style of the speech. It was designed to manipulate, control, and allow for deceit of the audience. When I objected I was told there was no other book.

In an accounting class in college the textbook had a large section on minimizing taxes. No mention was made of paying *fair* taxes, just on minimizing them as if the point was to do everything possible to pay the least taxes without breaking the law. When I objected the instructor looked at me as if I was insane – I suspect he’d never received a comment like that before. He probably had never had a thought of that kind before. Of course taxes are a horrible burden that should be minimized. Of course.

When I think of the horrific values and outright errors and lies perpetuated on me during my high school and prior education, I wonder what my life would have been like had I been aware of them at the time. Probably even more miserable as a result of the abuse I would inevitably have received for bearing and expressing that knowledge. God bless the people who believe this expression results in “gaining respect”. They may join the real world at some point in the future. Domination has no time for respect. Power wants only submission.

Any system of domination is abusive and damaging, even if the system is just, wise, and true. And when the system is far from just, wise, or true, the abuse is all the worse.

People are still laboring under this notion that only people of color are oppressed, that only women are oppressed, that only socialists and leftists are oppressed. NO. In a system of domination everyone is oppressed. The effects of abusing someone are devastating on both the abuser and the abused. We shouldn’t change the system because there is such a thing as an oppressed class, we should change the system because under any system of domination every human being is oppressed. Freedom for one is freedom for all. Slavery for any is slavery for all.

A mere glance at propaganda teaches us this. The most propagandized humans are the most abusive ones. The most oppressed humans are those who carry out the teachings of the propaganda. The “rich white man” is the most enslaved… he has no free mind, only an oppressive one. It is the lowest class, the poorest humans, who are the most free, because propaganda doesn’t care about them and thus doesn’t focus on them.

It’s like selling your soul to the devil. The rich white man gains wealth but loses his mind and his humanity. The poor man sacrifices wealth and therefore keeps his mind and humanity.

Transforming the world, revolutionizing the world into democratic socialism, truth, justice, and freedom is not for the poor people… it’s for all people.

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5 Responses to “Indoctrination – why we need a new educational system”

  1. mad dog Says:

    1. Get rid of the Department of Education. It has done absolutely nothing good for this country. (Except create useless standardized tests and teacher standards, both of which are worthless)

    2. Put an end to mandatory school attendance. This will have the following effects:

    a. The schools will have to work harder to try to convince the parents to let their kids go to school there. This would likely mean that the schools would be superior to what they were from before.

    b. Will get rid of many bullies. Many bullies have no interest in going to school. Part of the reason why they bully other children is because they hate being there. There is simply no sense in forcing these jerks to be alongside serious students.

    c. With likely fewer students showing up, the schools and the municipalities will have a greater deal of money to work with, because the cost of operating the school will be lower.

  2. briankoontz Says:

    That’s wrong on the bully issue. Home problems (abuse, neglect) is the reason for being a bully in most cases. Spending more time at home is tantamount to torture. Probably the way to handle bullies is to get a social worker involved to check out whether the family deserves custody of the child. Giving birth to a kid does not give you carte blanche to have your way with him.

    The incentive motivation in general doesn’t work. Teachers and administrators want to do a good job regardless of whether students are required to be there. The problems I’ve seen with individual teachers and professors over the years is that they are too arrogant and trusting of the material they are presenting (they treat their material as absolute truth instead of as subject for debate) and perhaps in a related manner they themselves do not think critically about the issues despite that they ostensibly teach students to think critically. They often lack creativity. In short, they often are not impressive *people*, and logically teachers should be some of society’s best people due to their importance.

    That’s another problem with capitalism – teachers end up with low pay and therefore the “impressive people” don’t go into teaching.

  3. mad dog Says:

  4. briankoontz Says:

    The biggest problem with education in America is that it’s still indoctrinating children in the values of American empire. Those values have been under attack since the 1960s but the educational system has not been overhauled to take that into account. Hence students range from unmotivated to revolutionary and get to be called “stupid” by the ignorant.

    To a callous alien looking on from Mars it would be amusing to see black students taught how to dominate Africans. It’s not so amusing to those black students, however.

    When I protested in class on various issues (there were many issues besides the ones I mentioned in my post) I wasn’t ignored, attacked, or vilified out of some personal animosity toward myself – I was attacked because teachers deep down understand that they are there to serve the institutional role of indoctrination in a system. Any challenge to that indoctrination must be met with harsh rebuttal ultimately resulting in the destruction of the challenge. Period. There is no consideration of my words. No debate. They never thought about my words – my words just annoyed them and they dealt with the annoyance in authoritarian fashion. To them they are there to TEACH and I am there to LEARN. End of story.

    Students understand that education is a system of social control, propaganda, and indoctrination. That’s why black students see education as “being white”: education in America furthers American empire, furthers White Supremacy, furthers American capitalism and domination of the world. The further along you proceed in education, the more indoctrinated you become.

    Education in America will never succeed until it is rebuilt to no longer support the goals of American empire and domination.

    Americans are so intensely ignorant that they believe the solution is to make learning “fun”. I hear that all the time. Stupid fucks. It’s not fun students want, it’s education that makes their lives BETTER, not necessarily wealthier but spiritually better. Students want education that makes them proud to be educated, happy to be alive, and most importantly that betters the world when they USE their education.

    Harvard Business school students aren’t the “best and brightest”, they are the most ignorant and least moral. Education filters out everyone else… you know, humans with a conscience and some kind of free will. These students get to learn neoliberal economic principles by which they increase poverty, disease, malnutrition, and death, all in order to make a few people wealthier. They call this “good business”.

    Everyone understands this either consciously or usually otherwise, which is why so many kids do so badly in school, are unmotivated, and are “stupid”. So not only do these kids lead a life of poverty because they have a conscience, they are labeled as “stupid” and “ignorant” and “uneducated” and “lazy”, all because despite what in many cases is desperate searching they cannot find a place to live, a place to become educated, that is worthy of them as human beings.

    That’s why education in America in particular is so bad. It’s the AMERICAN empire that is dominant in today’s world and it’s the values of the American elite that are so horrific. Students in other countries can use their education in much more noble ways and therefore enjoy the educational process much more.

    The entire country of America is a ghetto. It’s just that the wealthy have material goods to distract them away from their empty lives.

  5. mad dog Says:

    “The biggest problem with education in America is that it’s still indoctrinating children in the values of American empire. Those values have been under attack since the 1960s but the educational system has not been overhauled to take that into account. Hence students range from unmotivated to revolutionary and get to be called “stupid” by the ignorant.”

    Brian, billions of dollars have been spent to overhaul the schools by Municipal, State and Federal Governments. BILLIONS, with a capital “B”. This country has already done everything it could, except embrace school vouchers seriously.

    “To a callous alien looking on from Mars it would be amusing to see black students taught how to dominate Africans. It’s not so amusing to those black students, however.”

    Solution: School vouchers

    “When I protested in class on various issues (there were many issues besides the ones I mentioned in my post) I wasn’t ignored, attacked, or vilified out of some personal animosity toward myself – I was attacked because teachers deep down understand that they are there to serve the institutional role of indoctrination in a system. Any challenge to that indoctrination must be met with harsh rebuttal ultimately resulting in the destruction of the challenge. Period. There is no consideration of my words. No debate. They never thought about my words – my words just annoyed them and they dealt with the annoyance in authoritarian fashion. To them they are there to TEACH and I am there to LEARN. End of story.”

    Another reason why students should have a choice where they go to school. It’s pretty hard for a public school to indoctrinate students who are not there. By the way, if you think private schools are inferior, you should ask yourself why the Rich and Powerful send their kids to PRIVATE schools, not public. YES, THIS INCLUDES DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS!

    “Harvard Business school students aren’t the “best and brightest”, they are the most ignorant and least moral.”

    Nonsense. Harvard only selects students from high school with straight ‘A’s’.

    “Education filters out everyone else… you know, humans with a conscience and some kind of free will. These students get to learn neoliberal economic principles by which they increase poverty, disease, malnutrition, and death, all in order to make a few people wealthier. They call this “good business”.”

    The free market has brought wealth to the third world. There are now middle class people in places like India, China, Signapore, Malaysia. With markets come jobs and cheap goods. The average person’s wealth has gone up in those places. This is all documented, and not ‘free market fundamentalism’.

    Besides, you should familiarize yourself with an old Confucian proverb “Give a man a fish, and you will feed him for a day, TEACH a man HOW to fish, and you will feed him for a lifetime”.

    “That’s why education in America in particular is so bad. It’s the AMERICAN empire that is dominant in today’s world and it’s the values of the American elite that are so horrific. Students in other countries can use their education in much more noble ways and therefore enjoy the educational process much more.”

    Yes, you did well with this one. The public schools are fiddled with from crooks up above. That is why when I have kids, I will send them to private schools.

    “The entire country of America is a ghetto. It’s just that the wealthy have material goods to distract them away from their empty lives.”

    You think this place is bad, then you’ve never travelled abroad.

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