Project Iraqi Freedom! – its not just propaganda to some

Lum writes…

“At some point we need to realize that far too many Americans have died for the cause of Iraqi democracy, and it’s not a battle we can win if the Iraqis themselves don’t want it.”

Wow, what a gem of a comment. Lets review, shall we?

In 1991, at the low point of Saddam Hussein’s popularity with the Iraqi people, the US imposed severe economic sanctions on the country, leading to economic tragedy and boosting Saddam Hussein’s power considerably.

In 2003, the sanctions were over. What replaced them were the selling off of Iraq’s oil assets to foreign companies (courtesy of Paul Bremer for which he would receive multiple awards). Bremer would later receive an assassination attempt. Perhaps according to Lum, this is just more complaints about America “bringing democracy to Iraq”.

The following year, John Negroponte is named US Ambassador to Iraq, where he leads the colonial administration there. It takes 4,000 members to “ambassadorize” to a broken country… that’s a lot of ambassadorizing!

But to be fair to Lum, the US doesn’t mind Iraqi democracy at all, in fact it *prefers* it to dictatorship, under one very big condition. It controls that democracy. That’s why Garner was fired (who wanted elections in 90 days) and Bremer prevented Iraqi elections until the US could exert political control in the country.

The only true form of democracy coincides with self-sovereignty, as America itself well understands through its own history. America has been actively preventing Iraqi democracy since 1991 (and hindering it since 1983 with arms sales to Hussein), and it has made no efforts at all to change its ways.

Perhaps Lum would like to consider that in 1972 Hussein oversaw the seizure of foreign control of Iraqi’s oil, following the Nasser model of self-sovereignty, the economic result of which massively benefitted the Iraqi people, turning it into a rich and modern secular Arab nation. That is, until the Iran/Iraq war led slowly to the country’s downfall, ironically coinciding with American “assistance” to the nation. In fact, it seems the more America is involved with the country the worse it gets! Perhaps Lum thinks that’s coincidental.

After the Iran/Iraq war Hussein was defeated. It was a crushing blow, and after the next one with the failed takeover of Kuwait the atrocities he committed against his people made him very unpopular, likely enough to topple him soon after but the opportunity was lost with the economic sanctions. Why didn’t the US stop the 1991 atrocities and support the popular opposition to remove Hussein from power? If they’d done that and then left Iraq in control THAT would have been “dying for the cause of Iraqi democracy”… some day Lum may learn the difference.

But without people like Lum, how would people like the Neocons be elected? How would the American people be able to swallow lies and the media be able to ignore truth? Lum is merely making the world a much simpler, much safer, much more ignorant place for all of us. Thank you, Lum.


3 Responses to “Project Iraqi Freedom! – its not just propaganda to some”

  1. jackadams Says:

    Indeed, concise and coherrent.
    General elaborations on a theme:
    It’s quite hard to name even one American who has died for Iraqi democracy.
    And none of them have been part of a military presence.

  2. Lum Says:

    Uh… since I was actually saying that the concept of gunpoint democracy is flawed, that is probably the most verbose missing of the point I’ve read in a while.

  3. briankoontz Says:

    That’s outside what I was replying to, but I’ll put your entire post here (and what you were replying to) so we aren’t missing anything.

    Originally Posted by Daniel Morris:
    So let’s go ahead and agree with Darth Cheney that it’s pointless to legitimize either of these rogue regimes with consultations.

    Lum replies:
    Not sure how you define a regime as “rogue” (Syria isn’t developing nukes) but both are certainly legitimate (somewhat freely elected, in Iran’s case) and both are regional powers. Failing to bring them into the negotiation process merely ensures that they will continue to sabotage it as they have done so effectively to date. Just because we find a regime abhorrent doesn’t mean we can’t sit down and do necessary business with it. In fact those are usually the regimes we most need to negotiate with, to counteract their activities that are opposed to our interests.

    As for responding to the neocon you quoted, Syria is trying to topple the Lebanese government, which will hopefully fail since if it succeeds we’ll see a rerun of their civil war. That if anything should serve as further impetus for us to open channels of communication – a Grand Bargain where Syria has a stake in Iraq and the return of the Golan in return for a cessation of support for terrorists and disengagement from Lebanon is certainly a deal they’d consider, and is directly in our interests. As for Iran – they’re the regional superpower. Closing our eyes and refusing to talk to them means the status quo continues, which will eventually result in a rump state of Iraq (minus the Kurdish north and a Syrian-backed or even -annexed west) as an Iranian puppet regime. This is not something we particularly want to encourage.

    The primary problem with neocons and the Middle East is that they resolutely refuse to acknowledge our vital interests in their quixotic quest for remaking the world into something they agree with. At some point we need to realize that far too many Americans have died for the cause of Iraqi democracy, and it’s not a battle we can win if the Iraqis themselves don’t want it.

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